who doesn't think oblivion is the greate ...

I not going to start off by stating all the reasons why i think it is, rather, I just want to hear peoples specific reasons why they don't think it is. My premise of this thread that it is, in fact, the best signal player game this generation, yet, because of a lack of imagination, creativity and the lack of setting self limitations, players have failed to tap into the great wealth of gaming this game has to offer. On that note, I have bought and played most all the xbox 360 games that have any type of relevance. In the signal player aspect, I still play oblivion on a regular basis. Not becasue it's a matter of preference, but because objectively speaking it surpasses gameplay mechanics, depth and customizable features are still unparalleled. One possibility is that the on-line gaming world prefers soical gaming rather than signal player game, which is understandable because i go through though spells as well. And in those times a signal player game is not too appealing. Nevertheless, that does not affect my premise, because it is the signal player aspects of the game that are relevant in this discussion. finally, I'm sure many threads such as this one already exist, but the ones that I have read, the person arguing for oblivion's position, failed to do the game justice. That's not saying someone hasn't done that, rather, it suggest that I haven't tried researching the history of this topic since I'll find it more entertain to just discuss it myself. In light of that please refrain from raising criticism about per-phial issues.who doesn't think oblivion is the greate ...
I like Mass Effect better, but Oblivion would probably be a close second. I'm having trouble getting myself to play through it again though, i beat most of the game and got many of the achievments on my friends xbox before i had one, and i loved every minute of it. It's just not as fun to have to do alot of that stuff over.who doesn't think oblivion is the greate ...
[QUOTE=''xmitchconnorx'']I like Mass Effect better, but Oblivion would probably be a close second. I'm having trouble getting myself to play through it again though, i beat most of the game and got many of the achievments on my friends xbox before i had one, and i loved every minute of it. It's just not as fun to have to do alot of that stuff over.[/QUOTE] This is my point, it's how you play the game. I've played through Mass Effect 4 times with all different classes thereby changing the gameplay experance. mass effect was definitly a great game but it doesn't have the depth that oblivion has. the thing with oblivion is this, if you play it like it is a regualar game to just get through the story lines, which i have done it would get old fast. However, i would have to know the charator types you have played with, how many hours you put into it, class of charator and the diffuculty settting you had it on. If played correctly and in different ways there are much more options that can unfold through out oblivion.
Oblivion is an awesome game, but it doesn't have much replay value once you've played for 200+ hours and have downloaded all the add-ons. I haven't done this but its lost a lot of supporters from this.
They should make some more content and upgrade glitches and then it would go from great to awesome and be the greatest single player game this gen.
I've played it as an imperial the first time, i use a custom class. I was a vampire for most of the game. I don't remember how many hours i played but my friend and I spent about 2 months playing it almost every night. The second time i was also an imperial but i used a different custom class. I think i'm like 15 hours deep. I do agree there is a ton to do, and alot of fun to be had with the different things that you can do. My only problem is all the missions are really dull after you beat them once, there are exceptions of course. So i'm having trouble progressing.
The story never really captured me and it took out too many things from the third. It was a great experience but they stripped it down way too much. I loved the game but i just think the third with improvements in graphics and some combat tweeks would be a lot better. They made it alittle too casual and easy. The leveling system annoyed me too. I'm not saying the game sucked or anything i loved it to death just thought the third was a lot better.
Oblivion is a great game, but Mass Effect is soooo much better IMO. The story, narrative, and gameplay is everything I've ever wanted outta a game. Oblivion's level scaling made it feel kinda weak sometimes.
no i dont because personally i think it did everything right but the combat itself i get so immersed to be disappointed
i liked mass effect better
[QUOTE=''GameMasterCraig'']Oblivion is an awesome game, but it doesn't have much replay value once you've played for 200+ hours and have downloaded all the add-ons. I haven't done this but its lost a lot of supporters from this.[/QUOTE] well it depends on how you approach the game. I have like 500 hours so far and am still creating new charators and putting self liminations in place like not using fast travel and the compass. I have beat every mission and side quest already too and have every add on. I am a master at level powering and getting rich. One charator i have onws every house and still has 500,000 thousands. you can make the game better by endless spell making and with the diffculty bar on its hardest setting. however, if you start playing as a new role it changes the whole game into something new. That's the beauty in this game. People on the first go around will get used to playing a certain way that works for them and complete the game that way. However, if you take away those tactis and force yourself into playing in a whole new style then each battle feels different and the progression of the game takes longer. You have to milk this game to really enjoy it's true essence. However, one has to have displine to tap into the matcurity of the game though. Even hardcore fans critize the games simplicity because of the handicape features. Nevertheless, the same depth is still there just like morrowind if you want it to be there. But when people play through the game in a rush to see what happens then they don't feel like there is any reason to play through it as a real RPG and are therefore dissatified. I didn't come to realize this until after i started two more charactors. My first one, mind you had 400 hours clocked into to it. however, now approaching the game from new angels made me realize that those 400 hours was merely an intorduction into the possiblities of how i could play the game. The game is what you make it and can be as hard or easy as you want it. So the value of the game centers itself upon the gamer, which in my option is it's greastest strength. However, like the old adage goes, one's greastest strength is also your greastest weakness. Because a lot of gamers depend upon the game to impose certain factors that make the game become more or less harder or easyer. With the right type of mind set so many differnet type of gameplay experances can become if played right. This would have become more apparant to the gaming world if there was co-op with custimizable features included. Nevertheless, it's still there. The reason i point this out is because my feelings toward the game was mostly like yours. but since i have been broke and couldn't afford the new games the one true sandbox game that never stops surprising me is oblivion. No other RPG can truly capture this essence. I have played the heck out of games like Mass Effect and to all that can be done. But with oblivion you are the like the creator of the story. It is what you make it. And in a fast paced gaming world where we always look for the next best thing, a tresure chest like this is sadly over looked and under apprechated.
[QUOTE=''xmitchconnorx'']I've played it as an imperial the first time, i use a custom class. I was a vampire for most of the game. I don't remember how many hours i played but my friend and I spent about 2 months playing it almost every night. The second time i was also an imperial but i used a different custom class. I think i'm like 15 hours deep. I do agree there is a ton to do, and alot of fun to be had with the different things that you can do. My only problem is all the missions are really dull after you beat them once, there are exceptions of course. So i'm having trouble progressing.[/QUOTE] this is why you should put the diffucluty higher and try making spells, creating items, get like 4 follower form guild questlines you've completed and approach missions differenty and there is real fun in creating new combat sernios.
[QUOTE=''SaintJimmmy'']no i dont because personally i think it did everything right but the combat itself i get so immersed to be disappointed[/QUOTE] The funny thing is is that we are both right. It can be really disaponting if you play it one tyope of way. My question is how have you played it? How would you have like to played it? Because I bet you could change it into something a alot more entertaing if you have an open mind. My first hundred hours was hack and slash and only buying heal potions. It was so dam boaring after while. I promise that there are som many ways to creat depth in the game play you would humbly change you mind about it's gamesplay.
[QUOTE=''mike_03'']i liked mass effect better[/QUOTE] In what ways. The linear story line is better becasue of the citmatic feeling. however, after the smoke has settled oblivion stands the test of time. Because after you go through the nice story's lines and have been through the cut seens i have and i'm sure others have gotten reall acustmed with the X button to skip it all. Then after a few charater changes the game gets old fast. However, like i said, oblivion, it the right hands, can be molded into a master piece. I'll admit, its hard to reach that point and take a lot of time to realize it. Especialy when we are always moving from one game to another. I have a libary of 20 xbox 360 games and have sold about 15 others. And the only signal player game, after 500 to 600 hours later, i'm still getting surprized by the game when i try new things.
I wouldnt say its the best of the generation but it was probably the best of that year.
i think the combat is terrible so i would put it behind bioshock, mass effect, and gta4
Trinitarian you need to except the fact that poeple's opinions differ from yours. If you think that Oblivion is the greatest game this generation then cool. But don't try to make everyone else feel like you.
[QUOTE=''TheActionFigure'']Oblivion is a great game, but Mass Effect is soooo much better IMO. The story, narrative, and gameplay is everything I've ever wanted outta a game. Oblivion's level scaling made it feel kinda weak sometimes.[/QUOTE] Level scaling critism is overated. Because the smarter you become in this game and the more resoruces you draw upon, you can trample those higher level bad guys with an over whelming force which in turn provides more satifaction for defeating hardcore eneimes with so much power at your disposal. But the hinge of my argument is that oblivion has deapth unparalled. Whereas Mass Effect is fun a couple times around but then it has nothing to offer after that. Oblivion, has so many unknown possiblities to gamers.
[QUOTE=''TheActionFigure'']Trinitarian you need to except the fact that poeple's opinions differ from yours. If you think that Oblivion is the greatest game this generation then cool. But don't try to make everyone else feel like you.[/QUOTE] i'm not, rather i wanted to get why people don't think that it is, whereas, i'm arguing it is objectivily is. I wanted to review people's points agaisnt the game and see if there is validlity. however, so far I have not heard creditable information that would indicate otherwise. Which points to the conclusion of my arguement, the issue revolves around the mindset of the gamer to make the game great. Which is its greatest strength and its greatest weakness. I thought it would make an interesting disscussion, therefore, i'm not arguing for the sake of argueing, i really like disscussing this issue. I'm not taking any persoanl offense that would be inmmature, rather, the topic to me is enteretaion. Sorry if you've felt otherwise
[QUOTE=''nahmean187'']i think the combat is terrible so i would put it behind bioshock, mass effect, and gta4[/QUOTE] again, what was your combat prefence in the game? Just to jump right in the game the games you listed are better, but it takes several hours to reifne the combat to your taste. When you reach that point Oblivion is unparalled. Conseqently, it become more satisfing becausenot only is it more indepth but it is also something you helped creat and modify when you desire. You can custmize the gameplay endlessly so therefore it never gets old. Again, this reafferms my position that the weakness in oblivion revolves around the player to create something inovattive, which requires a ot of effort. So i think the thing i'm getting at is that some players don't want to create something in a game, they want it to be created already for them. Which is understandable, but, if one experanced the thrill in creating the gameplay in differnt ways that is possiable, then the genisness is found in oblivion that can't befound anywhere else